THE O'REILLY FACTOR
[Fox News, 24 March 2004]
O'REILLY: In the "Back of the Book" Segment tonight,
in 1998, Dr. Peter Anderson, a Ph.D. in human
sexuality co-authored a book called "Sexually
Aggressive Women: Current Perspectives and
Controversies." Well, this month, that theme has been
picked up by "Details" magazine which puts forth in an
article that sexually aggressive women are taking
advantage of some American men. Skeptical?
Joining us now from New Orleans is Dr. Anderson.
You know, I was single for a long time there, Doctor.
PETER ANDERSON, PH.D., "SEXUALLY AGGRESSIVE WOMEN": Me too.
O'REILLY: I -- I don't know these women. I don't know
who they are, and I find it almost hard to believe
that some woman could force a guy to have sex with
her. Tell me how -- why I'm wrong.
ANDERSON: Well, why you're wrong, I guess, is simply
because it does happen. We know from reports by women
themselves as well as reports by men that this takes
place, and force becomes an interesting issue. You
know, there's the issue of most women who initiate sex
with a man are likely to use what we might call
seductive tactics. You know, they're going to start
kissing him or start massaging him or start undressing
him, all of those things that we think are hopefully
going to turn somebody on.
O'REILLY: All right. But let me -- let me stop you
there, all right.
O'REILLY: If you're -- if you're lucky enough as a guy
to have some girl come on to you in that manner, but
you don't want to reciprocate, you stand up, and you
leave, unless the woman is 240 pounds and tackles you.
The man is traditionally stronger and better equipped
to leave the room.
ANDERSON: That's absolutely true.
O'REILLY: So what is the force?
ANDERSON: That's absolutely true.
O'REILLY: I mean if some woman was nibbling on my
elbow or whatever and I don't want her to, I just say
stop, and, if she doesn't, I get up and I leave.
ANDERSON: Right. And that's what most men do in those
circumstances. In other circumstances, men are too
drunk or too high or are...
O'REILLY: That's different. Now that's different.
ANDERSON: Yes, that is different.
ANDERSON: Or anyone can pick up a weapon or...
O'REILLY: A weapon?
ANDERSON: A weapon. Or multiple people can control a
single person. So you have all these circumstances
where -- through the -- through psychological force or
some level of physical force or the threat of physical
force, there are women who can and do overpower men.
O'REILLY: I -- and I guess -- I guess it's possible
that it happens once in a while, but, in this
"Details" magazine, April 2004, they go it happens
more than you think. Oh, come on. I mean, you know...
ANDERSON: Well, more than you think. I'm not sure what
we think. Those of us who do research in this...
O'REILLY: Well, I don't think it happens at all, and I
don't know of any...
ANDERSON: OK. Well, then -- then it is...
O'REILLY: ...force you to have sex.
ANDERSON: Then it is more than you think.
ANDERSON: Our research would tell us that about
somewhere between 1 percent and 9 percent of women,
depending upon the study that we've done and the
population that we've studied, somewhere between 1
percent and 9 percent of women self-report that they
have used some physical force tactic in order to get a
man to have sex with them.
O'REILLY: All right. Do you have -- do you have the
names and addresses of these people...
ANDERSON: I do not. I do not.
O'REILLY: ...so I can check this out.
ANDERSON: I bet if you talked just right, you could
get some women to call you, though.
O'REILLY: I mean it's just so dopey. Now I know women
manipulate men. They say, oh, you're not a real man if
you don't have sex with me.
O'REILLY: It's the same thing as a guy saying you
don't love me if you don't have sex with me. That's
ANDERSON: That's exactly right.
O'REILLY: That's not force. That's just sleazy tactics
that are used, you know, and...
ANDERSON: Absolutely. Absolutely.
O'REILLY: ...I can't -- I'm just not buying this, Doc.
I'm not buying that there are millions of American
women running around forcing guys to have sex with
them. I'm just not buying it.
ANDERSON: Well, I'm not sure there are millions as
well, but, when we do research about this, we look at
the difference between what we might call coercive
behavior and what we might call physical force
behavior. Women are much more likely to use the
manipulative sort of tactics, the coercive behavior,
than the physical force behavior.
O'REILLY: But that's not forcing.
ANDERSON: That's not forcing. On the other hand, the
classic date- rape scenario is that somebody is drunk
and, therefore, can't give adequate consent, and
another person takes advantage of them.
O'REILLY: Different. That's a crime.
O'REILLY: That's different.
ANDERSON: So the issue is...
O'REILLY: Forcing anybody to have sex would be a crime
O'REILLY: If you -- if you're foolish enough to get
inebriated with somebody you don't know, yes, bad
things can happen on both sides of the ledger.
O'REILLY: All right, Doc. We appreciate your point of
view. But, if you do come up with the stats about who
these women are, I would certainly like to research
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